I'm sorry, I appreciate your premise but I disagree...
You seem to be feeling how I felt in 2016...
I felt "sorry" for them, I truly believed that they had been hoodwinked into believing a con man's lies...
But as time went on I slowly realized that it was never about the lies. It was about hate.
They want to see the people that they hate suffer...Full Stop...
Haven't you noticed that suddenly no one cares what eggs cost anymore?
And all the people who cried on the internet about not being able to afford groceries because of of evil old Joe Biden suddenly have $5,000 for an inauguration seat, and $1,700 for an overpriced hotel room? (Then Trump moved ceremony inside and stiffed them all lol :) )?
I have found that trying to reason with these people is just a time suck/frustration hole because they never actually believed ANY of the things that a "Non MAGA" person might try to talk sense to them about.....
They just want to see people suffer....
They purposely voted for the "Leopards Eating Peoples Faces Party"...
Because they don't believe that "The Leopards" will also eat THEIR face"...
Honestly I am rooting for all of these hateful people to get EVERYTHING they voted for...
(and a little extra helping on top).
Maybe when these rich farmers I live near have no one to sell THEIR produce to, and the gasoline for THEIR massive lifted trucks tops five bucks per gallon because of stupid trade war tariffs...And no one to help at harvest time because of mass deportations...
Or maybe when the not so rich folks I also live near lose THEIR welfare, and THEIR food stamps, and THEIR Medicaid...
Or maybe when the people in the middle that I also live near lose THEIR VA Healthcare and benefits, or THEIR Social Security and Medicare...
Maybe then you might be able to talk some sense into them...But not before...
Because they voted for leopards lol!
As I stated at the beginning I appreciate your premise, but I doubt very seriously that it will succeed in changing from any more than just a very few MAGA minds.
I'm with you to a large degree, believe me. It may very well be that in the area you live in everyone is like that, I'm not here to tell you not to trust your eyes or your ears. But in many areas, there's a gradient of people that are reachable who are early in their MAGA cult life. My point is that we can't write those people off and let them become full cult acolytes.
Again, I'm fully aware of how bad things may be and what we might have to do to deal with it. I recommend you read the following article I wrote while I was thinking of the worst-case scenario, which I think aligns fairly well with where you are:
Some minds are changing and are already in the find out stage. Lukium has provided some great talking points to move that along faster. You are 💯% right that they thrive on hurting the libs and feeling the pain of their choices is needed to wake them up.
THIS IS A MUST READ. Finally a voice from the wilderness! You got my attention. I will engage in a new way. Though you are correct that it will be hard, I truly believe your "planting a seed of doubt" is the right response to take. Thank you for giving me new hope!
I’m working to raise his voice higher on Bluesky. It’s like he is inside my mind. I am sure many more of us have been thinking about this but have not been able to articulate it as well and throughly as Lukium. I have been suggesting people get on Nextdoor and get to know your neighbors. Then start posting some of the example posts Lukium has suggested.
I'm sorry, I appreciate your premise but I disagree...
You seem to be feeling how I felt in 2016...
I felt "sorry" for them, I truly believed that they had been hoodwinked into believing a con man's lies...
But as time went on I slowly realized that it was never about the lies. It was about hate.
They want to see the people that they hate suffer...Full Stop...
Haven't you noticed that suddenly no one cares what eggs cost anymore?
And all the people who cried on the internet about not being able to afford groceries because of of evil old Joe Biden suddenly have $5,000 for an inauguration seat, and $1,700 for an overpriced hotel room? (Then Trump moved ceremony inside and stiffed them all lol :) )?
I have found that trying to reason with these people is just a time suck/frustration hole because they never actually believed ANY of the things that a "Non MAGA" person might try to talk sense to them about.....
They just want to see people suffer....
They purposely voted for the "Leopards Eating Peoples Faces Party"...
Because they don't believe that "The Leopards" will also eat THEIR face"...
Honestly I am rooting for all of these hateful people to get EVERYTHING they voted for...
(and a little extra helping on top).
Maybe when these rich farmers I live near have no one to sell THEIR produce to, and the gasoline for THEIR massive lifted trucks tops five bucks per gallon because of stupid trade war tariffs...And no one to help at harvest time because of mass deportations...
Or maybe when the not so rich folks I also live near lose THEIR welfare, and THEIR food stamps, and THEIR Medicaid...
Or maybe when the people in the middle that I also live near lose THEIR VA Healthcare and benefits, or THEIR Social Security and Medicare...
Maybe then you might be able to talk some sense into them...But not before...
Because they voted for leopards lol!
As I stated at the beginning I appreciate your premise, but I doubt very seriously that it will succeed in changing from any more than just a very few MAGA minds.
I'm with you to a large degree, believe me. It may very well be that in the area you live in everyone is like that, I'm not here to tell you not to trust your eyes or your ears. But in many areas, there's a gradient of people that are reachable who are early in their MAGA cult life. My point is that we can't write those people off and let them become full cult acolytes.
Again, I'm fully aware of how bad things may be and what we might have to do to deal with it. I recommend you read the following article I wrote while I was thinking of the worst-case scenario, which I think aligns fairly well with where you are:
https://lukium.substack.com/p/let-them-burn
Some minds are changing and are already in the find out stage. Lukium has provided some great talking points to move that along faster. You are 💯% right that they thrive on hurting the libs and feeling the pain of their choices is needed to wake them up.
THIS IS A MUST READ. Finally a voice from the wilderness! You got my attention. I will engage in a new way. Though you are correct that it will be hard, I truly believe your "planting a seed of doubt" is the right response to take. Thank you for giving me new hope!
I'm glad that it was helpful.
I'm really concerned about the "Block MAGA" trend. If it takes hold, we're f*ed....
I’m working to raise his voice higher on Bluesky. It’s like he is inside my mind. I am sure many more of us have been thinking about this but have not been able to articulate it as well and throughly as Lukium. I have been suggesting people get on Nextdoor and get to know your neighbors. Then start posting some of the example posts Lukium has suggested.
The Nextdoor app idea is pretty neat.
And thanks for help spread the ideas on Bluesky. I think timing is our biggest challenge right now.
We need to activate people quickly as Musk and his goons are trying to entrench power.
I was permanently banned from next-door during Covid for posting truth. Each region has their own moderator and the majority of them are maga.