So glad you decided to stay with us! As someone who grew up in a stable loving home, I will never get over how many kids go through such hell. As to her words re Trump, I can believe she was afraid, but who knows. Maybe she felt beholden because he gave her work at mar-a-lago and babysitting. The thing that saddens me the most is how she tried to escape and ended up with another abuser. I’m in awe of how she fought and what she accomplished after that life of abuse. I think the birthday book is really damning not only of Trump and Epstein but all the other men who obviously knew what was going on and treated it as a joke. I also think there are two stories here, the sex trafficking and abuse, and the international financial dealings. Zev Shalev has done a lot of reporting on that. These wealthy and powerful men might be embarrassed by being exposed as pedophiles, but they’ll live with it. what will really hurt is having their financial fuckery exposed.
No one really knows why people commit suicide, even when they leave notes. Their disguises just work too well. We do know that some who have been rescued from it regretted trying & never tried again. If Virginia had been one of them, would knowing that there are people who really do care about her have given her a second wind? Or had she had it with her identity as being the public face of The Epstein Abuse Survivor?
I'll point out that if one of Epstein's victims says Trump was never with her, that does not exonerate Trump. There have been several other victims who have explicitly named him. There were a large number of girls going through Epstein's control. No one person, other than Epstein himself, or Maxwell, would have seen all of them.
I have to say that she was so looking forward to Trump’s promise while campaigning,that he was going to release the files. It may have been related to the lie of that.
Nazis/GOP And Cheeto Show The Electorate Who They Are
Let’s get real The Nazis/GOP are an immoral group of dirtbags By law if a murder is committed and you’re involved, you’re complicit in the murder crime These corrupt thugs who call themselves Congress people have associated themselves with a corrupt, evil, depraved, arrogant, deranged transactional sick sick mind and so they are complicit by association SCOTUS remains complicit in giving this sick mind extraordinary executive powers to support their longstanding absurd unitary executive theory, first fostered by B rated cowboy actor Ronald Reagan who is also responsible for “trickle down economics” theory which has been completely debunked The GOP way of governing is make shit up and see if it flies
So the GOP has devolved to now a hypocritical intolerable immoral corrupt duplicitous group called MAGA who want to destroy the government and turn the republic into a dictatorship making them by historical parallels the Nazis of the 1930’s Der Fuhrer leads the pack with his moronic policies that only serve his own personal political distraction needs Cheeto is about to invade Venezuela to create a distraction He held Congress out for a record 43 days to keep the Epstein files out of the public eye
The Nazis need to be thrown out of office until they can get a moral compass if that is at all possible Disappearing and deporting Americans off our streets, cost of living, taking health care away from Americans, increase the cost of healthcare, close rural hospitals, take away supplemental nutrition from Americans, and wait for it, universal prolife legislation in order to ban abortions in the US
Your explanations sound very real. If l had been undecided this would have changed my mind. Thanks so much for much for sharing your version of these horrible events. Best wishes 👍
"Nothing Remains Hidden and forbidden forever" a quote from my wife. And she has been correct 100% of the time. Secrecy is the worst form of tacit approval. Epstein is just one of hundreds in the Trillion dollar a year child sex trafficking maze, that dark money funds to keep it secret. 3 of Clinton's NGO's trafficking children. All techgarchs visited Epsteins Island. Those same techgarchs own 20% of US stock market equity, 10% global equity, & all hold top secret security clearances. Simply put:
To be CORRUPT IN DC REQUIRES 2 THINGS: A SECURITY CLEARANCE & MONEY.
To Be EFFECTIVE IN DC REQUIRES TWO THINGS: A SECURITY CLEARANCE & MONEY.
To Be EFFECTIVELY CORRUPT IN DC REQURES TWO THINGS: BE THE ISSUERER OF THE SECURITY CLEARANCE AND CONTROLLER OF THE MONEY.
Innocence about the Throne of God, especially the children...God hears them. And nothing is hidden from Him. When you discover that we the taxpayer, our money, controlled by fools, has, is, and will continue to fund child sex trafficking to compromise/control elites/power positions... then maybe you'll get pissed enough to pick up the 70lb phone and call for results, and vote MAGA types unto charge & change.
First Lukium I want to thank you for your vulnerability in sharing your own struggle with the temptation to commit suicide.
This whole subject is very personal for me. Her reasons for possibly not “outing” Trump is a hugely complicated subject.
For those of us who have been verbally, emotionally, mentally, physically and sexually, not to mention manipulated, by famous and/or powerful people, the use of secrecy to try to protect ourselves should make absolute sense. To suggest our secrecy makes us complicit with their crimes against us is a low blow and indescribably painful.
My own story is . . . complicated. Pathologically narcissistic and very intelligent people are masterminds at protecting themselves. For instance, how does a little abused child who was premeditatedly discredited as being a liar and a bad seed before the age of FIVE deal with it?
If it is a relative you were dependent on and who you loved and wanted to be loved by, the mental emotional struggle is indescribable.
You KNOW no one will EVER believe you because the abuser being a well known, upstanding individual with a fake image of goodness and honesty that they must protect at all costs, has diabolically and carefully woven a web around you that includes HUGE no-talk rules and instilled the knowledge you will be DESTROYED if you break them.
There is also a thing called trauma bonds that makes you protective of the very person/people who have hurt you. It’s complicated.
I myself have been sexually abused by authority figures: relatives, teachers, law officers, PASTORS and church ELDERS and friends. All people who APPEARED to be above reproach. People I did and should have been able to trust. Because of that the nature of the relationships were such that I was ALWAYS made to feel complicit in what was done to me. To say I’ve been terrified and emotionally conflicted about naming and outing any of those people is an astronomical understatement.
I am a survivor per se. Early in life I was a tiny girl hiding in a dark closet sucking her thumb and wishing she’d never been born. I carry her with me to this day. I have been suicidal many times. I’ve required years of counseling to cope with experiences that are all too typical for females of all ages in every setting imaginable.
Rather than trying to go the legal route of exposing all the sick people in my corner of the world, I have chosen to work with women - to hear their stories, their hearts, their pain and SEE them and BELIEVE them and try to console and comfort them and help them seek counseling and safe places to try to recover and not give up. Trust me, finding relief in death is a temptation I understand to the depths of my soul.
And I endeavor to advocate for all of us by telling my own truth and endeavoring to educate people about how prevalent and far-reaching this problem goes.
These Trump years have been torturous and triggering for victims of predators in high places like him. It has been hell on earth for me personally to see such evil people actually running our country now.
I think the women who have stood up and exposed Epstein and all of his associates and friends and are fighting not just for themselves but for all the women like them, are amazing. Their courage and willingness to expose themselves and all they’ve endured at the hands of rich, powerful, corrupt, dangerous and evil people, astounds me. They are doing what many of us could not.
All of this said I can totally understand not going after Mr. Trump. That we are in a time when such a horrible, sick evil being is being supported by supposed “christian’s”, our top elected officials including the Supreme Court, and some of the richest people in the world is a hard reality to have to wake up to everyday now and is harder than I have words to express. How can we find the justice we deserve???
I fight off feelings of helplessness and hopelessness every day. I have lived with all this shit for almost 70 years. I totally understand why a young woman in her forty’s would just give up this battle. And all I can think to say is, whatever your thoughts and opinions on this complicated and heartbreaking subject, DON’T JUDGE HER. She did the best she could. ALL of us who have walked miles in her shoes are doing the best that we can. And under these circumstances so many of us have experienced, I think I speak for all of us in saying: have mercy for god’s sake and try not to “should” us. And help stop the madness if you can. I myself have fought a good fight and I am tired now and sick of all of it. For those continuing to fight and do the best you can to somehow make this a better world, I thank you with all my heart. And thank you for listening. 🙏
I apologize if somehow I came across as suggesting that Virginia is/was complicit or that she should have done anything differently. That is not at all the point of the article. Quite the opposite: my point is precisely that IF it is the case that she was Trump’s victim, that it is completely understandable and reasonable for her to have done precisely as she did. That is the key premise here.
And once one takes in that premise, Trump’s claims that she somehow exonerated him completely fall apart. My point in connecting it to her suicide is precisely to say that the taking of her own life — given everything she had endured up to that point, and how strong she was for even going up against the British crown — suggest to me, given the timing, it more likely than not that this may have been the case, and that seeing Trump back in the White House and the entire Epstein thing becoming front page of our lives might just have been too much to bear — which only fully makes sense to me if Trump did victimize her, which Epstein’s emails seem to suggest to be the case.
My one point in the article about feeling guilty is to further humanize her, not to attack her. If she was Trump’s victim but exonerated him for her reasons — which again, are completely understandable — I imagine that it would have further weighed heavy on her and added to the emotional pain in a different kind of way. I don’t say this to condemn her, but to acknowledge the impossible/unfortunate situations that victims of such abuse can find themselves in.
Ultimately, my point was to say that the timing of her suicide + how strong she was + the information coming up in the recent Epstein emails + my own experiences with emotional pain suggest to me that Virginia’s exoneration of Trump was likely out of a complexity of emotions related to her victimization rather than Trump’s actual innocence and that we should not just accept it when Trump and his cronies use her words to defend him.
No Lukium, I apologize for not writing my remarks better. I totally agree with everything you’ve said. I absolutely believe Trump abused her. And God knows how she might have been threatened if she said a word.
So I actually was responding more to a couple of the comments others made and sometimes I say “you” without clarifying who you is. The “you” also was aimed in general at things people are saying and suggesting “out there” and criticizing her - I’m very protective towards her and all the victims in this inexcusable trafficking and the people involved. I kind of went on a tangent because this is so close to my heart personally and also because of so many stories shared with me by other women.
So again, I apologize for sounding like I was upset with you. Your article was well written and the points you made were clear. I need to work on my writing more and editing it better to make it clear what I’m trying to say and who I’m saying it to. 🙏
So glad you decided to stay with us! As someone who grew up in a stable loving home, I will never get over how many kids go through such hell. As to her words re Trump, I can believe she was afraid, but who knows. Maybe she felt beholden because he gave her work at mar-a-lago and babysitting. The thing that saddens me the most is how she tried to escape and ended up with another abuser. I’m in awe of how she fought and what she accomplished after that life of abuse. I think the birthday book is really damning not only of Trump and Epstein but all the other men who obviously knew what was going on and treated it as a joke. I also think there are two stories here, the sex trafficking and abuse, and the international financial dealings. Zev Shalev has done a lot of reporting on that. These wealthy and powerful men might be embarrassed by being exposed as pedophiles, but they’ll live with it. what will really hurt is having their financial fuckery exposed.
No one really knows why people commit suicide, even when they leave notes. Their disguises just work too well. We do know that some who have been rescued from it regretted trying & never tried again. If Virginia had been one of them, would knowing that there are people who really do care about her have given her a second wind? Or had she had it with her identity as being the public face of The Epstein Abuse Survivor?
I'll point out that if one of Epstein's victims says Trump was never with her, that does not exonerate Trump. There have been several other victims who have explicitly named him. There were a large number of girls going through Epstein's control. No one person, other than Epstein himself, or Maxwell, would have seen all of them.
I have to say that she was so looking forward to Trump’s promise while campaigning,that he was going to release the files. It may have been related to the lie of that.
Nazis/GOP And Cheeto Show The Electorate Who They Are
Let’s get real The Nazis/GOP are an immoral group of dirtbags By law if a murder is committed and you’re involved, you’re complicit in the murder crime These corrupt thugs who call themselves Congress people have associated themselves with a corrupt, evil, depraved, arrogant, deranged transactional sick sick mind and so they are complicit by association SCOTUS remains complicit in giving this sick mind extraordinary executive powers to support their longstanding absurd unitary executive theory, first fostered by B rated cowboy actor Ronald Reagan who is also responsible for “trickle down economics” theory which has been completely debunked The GOP way of governing is make shit up and see if it flies
So the GOP has devolved to now a hypocritical intolerable immoral corrupt duplicitous group called MAGA who want to destroy the government and turn the republic into a dictatorship making them by historical parallels the Nazis of the 1930’s Der Fuhrer leads the pack with his moronic policies that only serve his own personal political distraction needs Cheeto is about to invade Venezuela to create a distraction He held Congress out for a record 43 days to keep the Epstein files out of the public eye
The Nazis need to be thrown out of office until they can get a moral compass if that is at all possible Disappearing and deporting Americans off our streets, cost of living, taking health care away from Americans, increase the cost of healthcare, close rural hospitals, take away supplemental nutrition from Americans, and wait for it, universal prolife legislation in order to ban abortions in the US
You got me either if you read so far. Because you are right
Your explanations sound very real. If l had been undecided this would have changed my mind. Thanks so much for much for sharing your version of these horrible events. Best wishes 👍
"Nothing Remains Hidden and forbidden forever" a quote from my wife. And she has been correct 100% of the time. Secrecy is the worst form of tacit approval. Epstein is just one of hundreds in the Trillion dollar a year child sex trafficking maze, that dark money funds to keep it secret. 3 of Clinton's NGO's trafficking children. All techgarchs visited Epsteins Island. Those same techgarchs own 20% of US stock market equity, 10% global equity, & all hold top secret security clearances. Simply put:
To be CORRUPT IN DC REQUIRES 2 THINGS: A SECURITY CLEARANCE & MONEY.
To Be EFFECTIVE IN DC REQUIRES TWO THINGS: A SECURITY CLEARANCE & MONEY.
To Be EFFECTIVELY CORRUPT IN DC REQURES TWO THINGS: BE THE ISSUERER OF THE SECURITY CLEARANCE AND CONTROLLER OF THE MONEY.
Innocence about the Throne of God, especially the children...God hears them. And nothing is hidden from Him. When you discover that we the taxpayer, our money, controlled by fools, has, is, and will continue to fund child sex trafficking to compromise/control elites/power positions... then maybe you'll get pissed enough to pick up the 70lb phone and call for results, and vote MAGA types unto charge & change.
First Lukium I want to thank you for your vulnerability in sharing your own struggle with the temptation to commit suicide.
This whole subject is very personal for me. Her reasons for possibly not “outing” Trump is a hugely complicated subject.
For those of us who have been verbally, emotionally, mentally, physically and sexually, not to mention manipulated, by famous and/or powerful people, the use of secrecy to try to protect ourselves should make absolute sense. To suggest our secrecy makes us complicit with their crimes against us is a low blow and indescribably painful.
My own story is . . . complicated. Pathologically narcissistic and very intelligent people are masterminds at protecting themselves. For instance, how does a little abused child who was premeditatedly discredited as being a liar and a bad seed before the age of FIVE deal with it?
If it is a relative you were dependent on and who you loved and wanted to be loved by, the mental emotional struggle is indescribable.
You KNOW no one will EVER believe you because the abuser being a well known, upstanding individual with a fake image of goodness and honesty that they must protect at all costs, has diabolically and carefully woven a web around you that includes HUGE no-talk rules and instilled the knowledge you will be DESTROYED if you break them.
There is also a thing called trauma bonds that makes you protective of the very person/people who have hurt you. It’s complicated.
I myself have been sexually abused by authority figures: relatives, teachers, law officers, PASTORS and church ELDERS and friends. All people who APPEARED to be above reproach. People I did and should have been able to trust. Because of that the nature of the relationships were such that I was ALWAYS made to feel complicit in what was done to me. To say I’ve been terrified and emotionally conflicted about naming and outing any of those people is an astronomical understatement.
I am a survivor per se. Early in life I was a tiny girl hiding in a dark closet sucking her thumb and wishing she’d never been born. I carry her with me to this day. I have been suicidal many times. I’ve required years of counseling to cope with experiences that are all too typical for females of all ages in every setting imaginable.
Rather than trying to go the legal route of exposing all the sick people in my corner of the world, I have chosen to work with women - to hear their stories, their hearts, their pain and SEE them and BELIEVE them and try to console and comfort them and help them seek counseling and safe places to try to recover and not give up. Trust me, finding relief in death is a temptation I understand to the depths of my soul.
And I endeavor to advocate for all of us by telling my own truth and endeavoring to educate people about how prevalent and far-reaching this problem goes.
These Trump years have been torturous and triggering for victims of predators in high places like him. It has been hell on earth for me personally to see such evil people actually running our country now.
I think the women who have stood up and exposed Epstein and all of his associates and friends and are fighting not just for themselves but for all the women like them, are amazing. Their courage and willingness to expose themselves and all they’ve endured at the hands of rich, powerful, corrupt, dangerous and evil people, astounds me. They are doing what many of us could not.
All of this said I can totally understand not going after Mr. Trump. That we are in a time when such a horrible, sick evil being is being supported by supposed “christian’s”, our top elected officials including the Supreme Court, and some of the richest people in the world is a hard reality to have to wake up to everyday now and is harder than I have words to express. How can we find the justice we deserve???
I fight off feelings of helplessness and hopelessness every day. I have lived with all this shit for almost 70 years. I totally understand why a young woman in her forty’s would just give up this battle. And all I can think to say is, whatever your thoughts and opinions on this complicated and heartbreaking subject, DON’T JUDGE HER. She did the best she could. ALL of us who have walked miles in her shoes are doing the best that we can. And under these circumstances so many of us have experienced, I think I speak for all of us in saying: have mercy for god’s sake and try not to “should” us. And help stop the madness if you can. I myself have fought a good fight and I am tired now and sick of all of it. For those continuing to fight and do the best you can to somehow make this a better world, I thank you with all my heart. And thank you for listening. 🙏
I apologize if somehow I came across as suggesting that Virginia is/was complicit or that she should have done anything differently. That is not at all the point of the article. Quite the opposite: my point is precisely that IF it is the case that she was Trump’s victim, that it is completely understandable and reasonable for her to have done precisely as she did. That is the key premise here.
And once one takes in that premise, Trump’s claims that she somehow exonerated him completely fall apart. My point in connecting it to her suicide is precisely to say that the taking of her own life — given everything she had endured up to that point, and how strong she was for even going up against the British crown — suggest to me, given the timing, it more likely than not that this may have been the case, and that seeing Trump back in the White House and the entire Epstein thing becoming front page of our lives might just have been too much to bear — which only fully makes sense to me if Trump did victimize her, which Epstein’s emails seem to suggest to be the case.
My one point in the article about feeling guilty is to further humanize her, not to attack her. If she was Trump’s victim but exonerated him for her reasons — which again, are completely understandable — I imagine that it would have further weighed heavy on her and added to the emotional pain in a different kind of way. I don’t say this to condemn her, but to acknowledge the impossible/unfortunate situations that victims of such abuse can find themselves in.
Ultimately, my point was to say that the timing of her suicide + how strong she was + the information coming up in the recent Epstein emails + my own experiences with emotional pain suggest to me that Virginia’s exoneration of Trump was likely out of a complexity of emotions related to her victimization rather than Trump’s actual innocence and that we should not just accept it when Trump and his cronies use her words to defend him.
No Lukium, I apologize for not writing my remarks better. I totally agree with everything you’ve said. I absolutely believe Trump abused her. And God knows how she might have been threatened if she said a word.
So I actually was responding more to a couple of the comments others made and sometimes I say “you” without clarifying who you is. The “you” also was aimed in general at things people are saying and suggesting “out there” and criticizing her - I’m very protective towards her and all the victims in this inexcusable trafficking and the people involved. I kind of went on a tangent because this is so close to my heart personally and also because of so many stories shared with me by other women.
So again, I apologize for sounding like I was upset with you. Your article was well written and the points you made were clear. I need to work on my writing more and editing it better to make it clear what I’m trying to say and who I’m saying it to. 🙏