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Polar Girl's avatar

When you talk about things you care about, you are on the defensive? FDR campaigned extensively on promoting his New Deal agenda and how it is necessary to alleviate the suffering of the poor. JFK also publicly championed civil rights that he cared about. FDR ended up being the only president who served more than two terms and JFK arguably has more historical legacy than any other 20th century president. Most of America stopped voting Democrat precisely because they believe the party abandoned them.

I do agree that the left has become a bucket of crabs that keeps pulling each other back down because their issues aren't being perceived as the most important. This is precisely why the "big tent" mentality especially by establishment Democrats needs to be spurned. Trump didn't come to power being a Reagan "Big Tent" Republican. Quite the opposite. The Republican Party rose by getting smaller from purging but more in line hence loyal, obedient, and cohesive going back before Trump to the Tea Party. They had no problem refilling their ranks by doing so each and every round they did that.

Gaza is the epitome of this problem. It has lead to a delusional big tent that can fit both sides of a genocide yet somehow win popular elections. Democrats sure take a lot of money from Zionist donors but the problem is a substantial amount of Zionists are left wing. Bill Maher might be the personal paragon of left wing Zionism and the New York Times the institutional face of it but they aren't limited to elitists. They do have activists that infiltrate every left wing group that is emerging.

This is why the bucket of crabs keeps pulling down. Can you blame Palestinians for pulling down the larger left wing structures when those larger structures demand that they treat their genociders as allies by purported peers in their activist groups? Does it really matter to Palestinians if Jewish workers in Israel have more collective bargaining power against their employers if they are going to be genocided? Before a solution on messaging can be successfully developed, some hard choices on message or agenda needs to be made. Many will fear being labeled an anti-semite for doing so and the bucket crabs will most certainly spring into action.

Left wing Zionists are the biggest pushers of the "drop the T from LGB" agenda as if a line can be drawn between the two. Far more than right wing Zionists are. Ironic though that Breitbart which was described as a Hasbara outlet and the go to rag of right wing Zionism was the first and most aggressive at ramping up transphobia. Then their are Christian Zionists trying to genocide transgender people. A different kind of genocide more comparable to what Christians did to Native American children than what is happening in Gaza but still a Zionist genocide none the less. DACA is a consequence of Left wing Zionists collaborating with right wing Zionists going back to the 1970s on an issue that matters more to both than left and right does. Building global sympathy for nationalist movements worldwide is essential for expanding "Greater Israel".

Making the left tent smaller to make it more cohesive should obviously start with left wing Zionists. The problem is that is essentially what establishment Democrats and other similar establish parties around the world are so building new mainstream parties is probably the only way to have an electable message before getting into messaging.

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Lukium's avatar

I think you're still missing my point because it seems like you think that I think that we should make our "tent" smaller.

That's not at all what I'm saying.

1. You can't compare FDR/JFK to politics today. Up until the 80s, the media was MUCH less fragmented, and they were LEGALLY required to cover both sides fairly (look into the Fairness Doctrine and how Reagan put an end to it).

Now that we have extremely compartmentalized echo chambers, things are very different.

2. Add to it the fact that political discourse started changing very drastically, first with Rush Limbaugh and AM radio, then the vitriol was taken to the maximum starting with Newt Gingrich. That's where the necessity for being on the offensive really became a thing, which Dems have up to this stay still refused to adapt to.

I wish we could go back to such a time when politics were civil, but that time is long past, and the Republican party seems to have no intent to return to that. And at least until they do, WE MUST adapt and stop fighting with a hand tied behind our backs by trying to be civil and nice and bipartisan when they are not.

Much more importantly though, you make a MASSIVE mistake thinking that Rs have narrowed down as much as you say. They are NOT a monolith, at all. I recommend reading the article below for a general idea of what I mean. There are multiple sub-groups in the R party that actually don't like one another very much, but who have united to achieve their common goals even though they each have goals of their own.

The fact you don't realize how non-monolith they are is proof of the power of the strategy they utilize, which is similar to what I'm suggesting we should do.

And if you look, right now, most of those subgroups are getting what their subgroups want:

The libertarians are getting government to be severely cut down (even if they'll come to regret it eventually)

The neo-nazis are getting to see immigrants sent to Gitmo, Transgender people treated like trash and voter suppression being ramped up against black people.

The corporatists are about to cash in a massive tax break.

The fake Christians are getting Jesus back in the classroom and book bans against LGBTQ+ (they overlap with the neo-nazis on this)

The conspiracy theorists are having a blast with the anti-vaxx shit and the election fraud shit and all their other smaller conspiracies.

And guess, what? They're each getting what they wanted, without ever having to run ON ANY OF IT. Why? Because instead of DEFENDING WHAT THEY WANTED, the ATTACKED WHAT WE WANTED.

And

It

Works

If we do the same, WE WILL CRUSH THEM. Because where we're just trying to let people live with dignity, they're f*ing fascists.

Back to what you were saying though, again, you're still missing my point. We don't need to make our tent smaller. We just need to attack the R tent instead of focusing on our tent. Let whoever wants to be on our side aid in the attack of the other side with whatever they have to offer. It's not that complicated.

Anyway, here's the article I mentioned earlier:

https://americanmanifesto.news/p/stop-calling-them-maga

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Polar Girl's avatar

By making the tent smaller, I mean kicking out the people that not only have a place in the Republican tent like million/billionaires, TERFS, Zionists, and others whose agenda is antithetical to any left wing agenda. They did purge their tent of nearly every element that wasn't onboard and were able to refill their ranks.

What you said about media is mostly true for JFK but not so much for FDR. Few people had radios in 1932 and almost no one had TV. Newspapers were also very localized and quite diverse. The political movement to establish regulating radio wave frequencies began with the Titanic sinking since every frequently was legally available for CB radio transmission back then and vital survivor communication was obstructed due to that. Of course World War 1 happened 2 years later so probably mostly political pretext. Racist Father Coughlin was the most popular radio show for the few that had radio access. In other words, the media landscape of 1932 more closely resembles today's rather than 1960 in regards to fragmentation.

I know quite well that Republicans are no monolith. It is more extreme than even you seem to realize. Below is a link to a Gab group called "Christianity is White Genocide". They are basically saying that Christianity including Jesus himself was Jewish so white Christians are race traitors who worship the enemy's god. They call them Christcucks and MIGA (Make Israel Great Again). They don't believe Christians are weak; just racially corrupted.

https://gab.com/groups/3989

The corporatists will indeed get a massive tax break and one that roughly equals how much Medicaid and SNAP that so many MAGA cult worshippers voted for depend on. Then there is the defunding of NOAA due to "climate alarmism". Ironic since most tornadoes and nearly every hurricane is solely a red state event.

You are correct that they are anything but MAGA so should not be referred to as such. I disagree that MAGA is the glue holding that coalition together. It was limited mostly to white Boomers in his first campaign and is now kind of an unwanted relic for them.

I am sure you seen the rift between Trump/Musk and their base over H1-B visas. That is most definitely the weakest dividing fault in this fake "MAGA" as you stated in your other article that I read coalition. I just don't know what tactics and strategies to use for that. If that can be found, it is game over for them. This is where offense as you define it needs to be focused.

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Lukium's avatar

I see what you're saying now about making the tent smaller.

Here's my take on that:

IF we ever choose to actually get on the offensive (more on that shortly), then we're going to start winning again. Once that happens, we'll be able to worry a lot less about who's in our tent because beating fascists will be relatively easy once we stop cowering and start calling them so. Without being desperate about getting the votes, we'll be able to focus more on implementing our values, which will benefit A LOT of blue-collar people who are currently on the other side, (matching more closely to FDR's coalition + minorities), such that we will likely naturally shed the hateful people currently in our tent, like we did with the Dixiecrats ~80-70 years ago. I think it will just naturally happen.

As for communication, FDR was still able to use fireside chats to communicate directly with Americans, which was a powerful way to bypass the media. Then on top of it he held press conferences very often and had a powerful narrative. And because his plans were very pro-worker, unions fell in line very quickly to help spread his message. Altogether, his approach was able to reach people, especially because as I said before, we didn't have such separate echo chambers as we have now (the main point I was making before, with media just being the main thing that maintain the echo chambers today).

As for the offensive strategy, I also mention the H1B in the article as a big fissure between blue-collar and corporatists. We should be exploiting such fissures, and it's not the only one. I've been calling for a multi-prong approach to take back public opinion, similar to what FDR did. One part of it is to dominate social media. Instead of fleeing spaces like X and Instagram and Facebook and Threads, we should be taking back those spaces. It can be done, and it MUST be done. We should be using MEMEs like the following:

https://americanmanifesto.news/p/maga-is-elons-little-bitch

We will probably need to use VPNs and burner email accounts, but we can orchestrate a strategy similar to the Russia trolls of 2016 but using the truth to sow discord and a sense of betrayal throughout the MAGA base. And that's just one of the prongs.

You can see some of the other prongs in the following article:

https://americanmanifesto.news/p/protest-but-dont-just-protest

But first and foremost, we just need to completely change the way we talk (we're too damn polite and anti-confrontational). The whole "when they go low, we go high" needs to die and be forgotten. Rather than me rewriting the whole thing you read more about that here:

https://americanmanifesto.news/p/fighting-fascism-how-we-push-back-and-win.

If you really want to understand my overall approach, I recommend going through the playbook I put together (a combination of 10 articles that pretty much cover my entire strategy):

https://americanmanifesto.news/p/the-relentless-playbook

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