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Roslyn Reid's avatar

TY for your cogent explanation. Economics is like voodoo to most of us.

Luis Cayetano's avatar

Great stuff, Lukium. I've been reading a lot about economic history lately, especially of the Nordic Model. Do you have any thoughts on the economic limitations and benefits of the Scandinavian economies vs the New Deal (or New Deal 2.0 as you would design it within the USOS architecture?). Some resources in case they're useful to you:

** On the failures of neoliberalism in the US: https://rooseveltinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/RI_The-Empirical-Failures-of-Neoliberalism_brief-202001.pdf

** On the Swedish welfare state and why it's not socialist: https://realitiesofsocialism.org/sites/default/files/2023-08/mirage-of-swedish-socialism-economic-history-of-welfare-state_0.pdf

** On the Danish experience: https://realitiesofsocialism.org/sites/default/files/2023-10/free-enterprise-welfare-state-history-of-denmarks-unique-economic-model.pdf

The Realities of Socialism website is associated with the Frasier Institute and other center-right or centrist think tanks, so their analysis is from a classical liberal/fiscal conservative viewpoint (I doubt they would agree with the analysis from the Roosevelt Institute, though they are at pains to point out why social democracy isn't socialism). Take that for whatever it's worth or isn't worth, though in broad terms, I think you'd find much to agree with in their papers. I found the Sweden one highly informative (I'm still working through the Denmark one) but it leads me onto further question for you, such as: the budget-balance issues and deficit crisis faced by Sweden in the 1980s and 90s and their fiscal conservative reforms to try to bring things under control; their use of private competition to cater to welfare services (such as their school vouchers that can be used by parents to select private schools, and similar schemes in health care), as well as high tax rates across the board but with a lower top marginal tax rate bracket than in the US (in other words, the middle class pays for most of the welfare services since the top income tax rate kicks in at around $US62K; in Denmark it's at around $US91K, still well below that in the US, which kicks in at $500K or so if I understand it correctly), their uniform 25% VAT, etc. Do you see these things as "fair"? Are they part of a coherent overall framework (and maybe one configuration for achieving what you would want to see) or are they a rickety and unstable pastiche? What's the relevance and lessons for the US?

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